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@brevinwannabe: Planeswlk has yet to furnish an HTML file to me. He provided me with an XLS file that had links to the beginning of each CC section. Planeswlk saved his xls in Open Office format which made converting it to HTML impossible. If I had MS Office I know that the HTML conversion would be much better and easily achieved. Planeswlk previously showed interest in creating the HTML file but I'm not sure if he has interest in maintaining the base at all. If you want the job it is yours. For the sake of ShadowDrakkens program would you mind switching from Inventory to a Base format?

@ShadowDrakken: When you say your program will auto generate the card/token are you saying that your program will not need my set of tokens or are you saying that your program will be able to find the needed token in my list and set it in the play area with no interaction from the user whatsoever?

Since nobody wants to keep the name Momir Basic I think Momir Extended sounds best. But for the same of further debate, especially since I'm waiting to hear from Brevinwannabe about the base, do you guys think that Momir Complete or Momir Extended sounds better?

I'm willing to maintain it, but I have no idea how to make it as a base rather than as an inventory. Somebody we'll have to walk me through how to do that.

Isn't what we have now the list for Momir Complete? I don't think we had a Momir Basic (the MTGO version) done yet.

The spreadsheet I'm working on is being worked in OO. I can easily enough save it as OO if that helps, but thought more people would be using excel.

As for the names Momir Complete is better than Momir Extended. Momir extended makes me think of the extended card pool, which is actually much closer to momir basic. The name ought to be in line with the card pool. The card pool is the complete card pool of magic, so complete is very easy to understand. It means EVERYTHING. We could call it Momir Type 1 or Type 1 Momir or Momir Legacy or Legacy Momir or something, but I think complete is just as easy to understand and sounds much cooler. I'm very strong against extended cause I think it's confusing.

omg, i've never noticed that in momir basic life starts at 24, not 20!!

i have an idea. why don't we put the "momir vig, simic visionary" avatar (and maybe other mtgo avatars too) as a vg card in the library and we put it into play at the start of each momir basic match? now that's momir!!

I don't like the sound of Momir Complete myself, it's very awkward to say... I vote Momir Extended because it sounds better, and Extends the Momir Basic base

@Mulsiphix: it depends on how much the DDE exposes... if it only exposes chat, then we'll need the token set... if it exposes the ability to effect the game, and create tokens on demand, then we won't need the token set

Please remember folks, articles at mtgsalvation are not hard-and-fast facts. Noone has yet to find an official FAQ from WotC or get OFFICIAL word from a WotC employee as to whether the Momir Vig avatar does A) selects unique creature names only, B) selects a unique creature then selects an expansion/version available, or C) selects any creature card counting all versions. If someone can prove they can get a foil/promo card in MTGO from Momir then we rule out A. So far the only evidence is speculations in articles. Everyones articles listing creature counts per casting costs are SPECULATION from doing the obvious and totaling up creatures. We need to know the exact superfine detail about this avatar's programming to settle this! This means whoever wants to spend the time needs to get in contact with a MTGO programmer.

Or we can go with what we seem to be deciding already

I will attempt to make the html-exported-from-OO work by doing a plain-text transfer and writing the html myself. Whats needed is making it look straight, keeping the font small to lessen the scrolling, putting some columns in a table per CC level to further reduce scrolling, and adding hyperlink jump spots.

Once navigating the list of random creatures gets better, the time-consuming point then switches to MWS, as you have to: use the inventory file and make sure the card text column is turned on, type into the search your creature name, find the right card and select it, read it over and note the P/T and color, click in the text column to get it highlighted, press ctrl-C, get back to the token creation box and fill in the info.

A workaround would be to put full card info into the randomized spreadsheet so everything needed is in one place. So.. whoever created the spreadsheet, could you please try to do a MWS export dump and re-publish it (with the ante removed, X and X+mana creatures back in) maintaining that semi-random order its in? I'm going to try it myself and see what we're up against.

If only MWS had record numbers, we wouldn't need half of this.
Im going to look at the Magician program again and see if it better meets our needs. At least the programmer will do anything I request at the drop of a hat

Oh, I found another mtg-com article, not sure if this was already posted: http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/daily/fk13

Edit: Found bug in the current inventory file, someone *cough* needs to update their masterbase.. AEsthir Glider and AErial caravan are not correct, the e must not be capitalized.
Strangely if I try to fix the record in the inventory, i get this MWS error, "Operation not applicable", and it wont let me move away from the record until i press ESC to cancel editing the name.

Also found that both the inventory and the spreadsheet are missing Promo creatures (Windseeker Centaur, N. Dragon, Shich. Dragon) and unique creatures in Starter (ST). My search in MWS gives me 4261 (already factoring out 2 ante guys and 96 world champ) while the current inventory only has 4246.

The article you link to in your own post supports my math about different versions. The official WOTC article has the same number of creatures listed in the 9 cost slot.

Planeswalk, I did leave out promo cards. That was a conscious decision. Maybe not the right one, but not something that I was unaware of.

As it stands now I'm confused as to what people want me to do. Planeswlk, do you need me to update the list?

I strongly urge you *not* to name it Extended, this implies it is only the Extended card pool.

I have officially lost interest in working on this Momir port project. There is far to much debating still going on. Once you guys figure out exactly what you want go ahead and contact me if you still need help.

As everything stands right now I am no longer interested in being a part of the "decision making process" as I find it extremely frustrating. Once a name has been picked out, a final version of the base/inventory file released, and ShadowDrakken has released or officially stated he won't be releasing his "helper" program, then I'll be ready to help where needed.

I'll continue to offer my opinionsand offer feedback but at this point I am removing myself from the "making it happen" team. Come to think about it, do we even have a "team"? Bah this has become far to confusing. If you need me, once the above conditions have been met, I would be happy to return to help with the tokens. In the mean time, good luck sorting this all out .

lol, I will be releasing the helper program, but until the card database is made, I don't have much interest in spending time on it either since my program won't have any use until we know what we're playing

Alright. It sounds like people want me to go ahead and reedit the inventory and list. I'll add back in the x cards, which is the only change I can see to be made right now. If someone tells me how I'll also go ahead and make a .mwbase. Right now I don't know how to do it, but I'm willing to do it. Probably next week.

same as as making an mwInventory file... just go File > New Library > Master Base

@brevinwannabe: In one pane open up your Momir inventory file. In the other pane create a new masterbase. Highlight everything in the Momir inventory file and add it to the mwBase pane. Then save the mwBase file. Simple eh?

I already re-made an inventory, brevin I need your email.
Mulsi the one i sent you is broken, too big, kept giving me errors, so i deleted it entirely and started a fresh one, much better.

Im working on the html table as I post this. Took MWS 20 minutes to dump it from the inventory but it worked wonderfully.

Edit: the orig inv was broke, ive got it fixed now.
The HTML dump didnt work, MWS crapped out its dump somewhere in the 2-mana critters, so Ill have to do it CC groups one at a time. It does look pretty! I only have to code a script to add a numbering column to the html table.
One last issue, a nicely done HTML file with card text will be HUGE, over 2mb. If its distributed and used locally on someones PC then it should be ok.

Planeswlk why are you including the card text? Once the base is finished I can create the tokens which would leave no need to create them by hand anymore. Did you want to go with users creating tokens instead?